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Sciros Darkblade · Nov 23, 2005, 02:04 AM // 02:04

Hm well, if I had $280,000 to burn I'd buy a Murcielago. And it *is* overpriced, practically speaking. However, I can't just spend a couple of years making one and save 280k.

I *can* on the other hand learn to be a killer runner on my own, and make *plenty* of useful connections. And I think it's that factor that makes people really attack the LBSRA's price.

However, just like I ignore sellers who ask 100k for a weapon I can find for 10k one disctrict over, I think it makes sense to ignore anyone you can't really bargain with and don't feel like trying to afford. So, there is no point to bash LBSRA for their price. Clearly they have picked a good price point from a business perspective.

Of course it's not a good one from a community standpoint, as almost nobody can afford it, relatively speaking. But it's never really about the greater welfare, hehe. Not that it has to be, either.

fenix · Nov 23, 2005, 02:33 AM // 02:33

Bah, Straw man? I interpreted perfectly, you just seem to have no idea what I'm talking about capitalist. You keep thinking that I only service the poorer players, and that you the richer. Who says that is true? I run everyone, and the majority have no problem paying my prices. If you keep assuming things, you are going to end up backed into a corner.

Oh, and stop acting like this is a court case, it is getting very old.

lord_shar · Nov 23, 2005, 02:51 AM // 02:51

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Originally Posted by trim

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Originally Posted by lord_shar

"In case you missed it, LBS is a real life lawyer by profession.:"

I absolutly love this. This has got to be at least the sixth time I have seen this posted. How is this relevant to anything. It doesn't take a genious to take a common build for running, and basically turn it into a way to make some gold. The guy has a job like everyone else. Big Deal.

...<SNIP>...

You forgot the rest of the quote:

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Originally Posted by lord_shar

"In case you missed it, LBS is a real life lawyer by profession. There's no reason why he can't apply some of what he learned from the real world in-game. If anyone plans on lecturing anyone else in here about ethics in this thread, then that person better have his credentials squared away first."

You questioned LBS's intent and ethics here:

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Originally Posted by trim

*Yawn* You know this isn't school right. I am still trying to ponder if your intentions are truly good. The facts are this isn't college, and the majority of the people that play this game probably see it as form of relaxation from there every day life. I'm sure you and your clan have a great time together with your experiences, the environment, and running from town to town. If killing some monsters in a game, running past a bunch of tundra giants, or typing in a few emotes is an experience to you that is good. It gives you something to be proud of yourself for.

I really think people would have the upmost respect for you and everything you do, if you weren't taking in profits on the side. This kills any type of respect anyone might have for you on the outside of your guild. It almost seems like you have put yourself up on some pedestal, and act like your better in every aspect of what you do. I think this is why a few people have called you arrogant.

...to which I responded with the above.

If you plan on quoting, please include everything relevant in context. Don't piecemeal quotes unless you plan on getting a degree in yellow journalism. At the very least, please provide a convincing counter-point beyond just personal opinion. Otherwise, it's just more spam with no solid foundation.

lord_shar · Nov 23, 2005, 03:00 AM // 03:00

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Originally Posted by talon

Bah, Straw man? I interpreted perfectly, you just seem to have no idea what I'm talking about capitalist. You keep thinking that I only service the poorer players, and that you the richer. Who says that is true? I run everyone, and the majority have no problem paying my prices. If you keep assuming things, you are going to end up backed into a corner.

Oh, and stop acting like this is a court case, it is getting very old.

Without a common set of rules for arguing a point, all you have is a back-and-forth shouting match. Besides, this is a public court of opinion.

fenix · Nov 23, 2005, 03:01 AM // 03:01

Hey, dont dis journalism. A few bad journo's have destroyed everyones idea of what we do, as 99% of us are actually NOT corrupt. No one changes quotes in journalism now days anyway, that can bring you to court for all types of things.

EDIT:

It is obvious, the side that aren't being pursuasive are the ones charging 5x as much as everyone else for the EXACT same service. And don't double post.

masterbeef · Nov 23, 2005, 03:05 AM // 03:05

LBS is not trying to "pursuade" people to join. He stated what he has to offer and left it at that. He also stated the "hugely zomg way too high" admission fee and left it at that.

fenix · Nov 23, 2005, 03:07 AM // 03:07

That may be the case, but WHY charge so high for entry and for runs is what everyone wants to know. Fair enough if it's 2 or 3k for entry, and runs being a few plat higher than normal, but the prices are much higher than that. Even if you are rich, it would be alot nicer to have a good service with good prices, rather than a good service with outrageous prices.

lord_shar · Nov 23, 2005, 03:07 AM // 03:07

I think people here are reading WAY too much into the game

masterbeef · Nov 23, 2005, 03:11 AM // 03:11

Well people still come to LBS so he must be doing something right. You cant be this successful for such a long period of time while not adapting accordingly to the needs and wants of the consumers. Frankly, I think you are bothered that he is making such a huge profit and is so successful and that you have not been as successful in gw so that you must try to bring him down to feel better. Which is a bully tactic, you can constantly flame and bash what LBS has to offer/what he does and says, but you cannot change the way other people think and act.

fenix · Nov 23, 2005, 03:15 AM // 03:15

*sigh* I knew it would come down to this.

No one cares how much money LBS has, and no I'm not jealous. Despite what people might think, I have no need for money at the moment. I'm quite happy playing the game and cruising through it. I make more than enough when I do runs, and I have people in my friends list coming back time and time again for me to run their other characters. Bully tactic? Who said I was bringing down LBS. I was merely trying to get a straight answer to why there is a need to charge so much.

masterbeef · Nov 23, 2005, 03:22 AM // 03:22

Well if that is all you have been aiming for i'm sure you can pm LBS and he can tell you straight up. Otherwise, this is the last argumentative post in this thread for me.

capitalist · Nov 23, 2005, 03:32 AM // 03:32

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Originally Posted by talon

Bah, Straw man? I interpreted perfectly, you just seem to have no idea what I'm talking about capitalist. You keep thinking that I only service the poorer players, and that you the richer. Who says that is true? I run everyone, and the majority have no problem paying my prices. If you keep assuming things, you are going to end up backed into a corner.

Oh, and stop acting like this is a court case, it is getting very old.

Please review my the quote in my last post. I was commenting that I do not service that ~80%, so I don't need to consider them. They can't pay the prices by definition, ~80% have less than 20k in their accounts, and I don't do runs unless they net me 40k each. I don't need money, I run because I enjoy it, but I also have limited time to play, and therefore charge for my time spent helping others (guildies are the exception). I don't remember ever saying I was richer than you, I don't care how much money you have, nor do I care who you run... you have the issue with the way we do business, not the other way around.

~$~

capitalist · Nov 23, 2005, 03:47 AM // 03:47

Double post and off-topic, however, the tendency of the people that attack the LBSRA is to use many of these methods:

If you are new to the Internet, allow me to explain how to debate in this medium. When one person makes any kind of statement, all you need to do is apply one of these methods to make it sound stupid. Then go on the offensive.

1. Turn someone’s generality into an absolute. For example, if someone makes a general statement that Americans celebrate Christmas, point out that some people are Jewish and so anyone who thinks that ALL Americans celebrate Christmas is stupid. (Bonus points for accusing the person of being anti-Semitic.)

2. Turn someone’s factual statements into implied preferences. For example, if someone mentions that not all Catholic priests are pedophiles, accuse the person who said it of siding with pedophiles.

3. Turn factual statements into implied equivalents. For example, if someone says that Ghandi didn’t eat cows, accuse the person of stupidly implying that cows deserve equal billing with Gandhi.

4. Omit key words. For example, if someone says that people can’t eat rocks, accuse the person of being stupid for suggesting that people can’t eat. Bonus points for arguing that some people CAN eat pebbles if they try hard enough.

5. Assume the dumbest interpretation. For example, if someone says that he can run a mile in 12 minutes, assume he means it happens underwater and argue that no one can hold his breath that long.

6. Hallucinate entirely different points. For example, if someone says apples grow on trees, accuse him of saying snakes have arms and then point out how stupid that is.

7. Use the intellectual laziness card. For example, if someone says that ice is cold, recommend that he take graduate courses in chemistry and meteorology before jumping to stupid conclusions that display a complete ignorance of the complexity of ice.

killer toast · Nov 23, 2005, 03:50 AM // 03:50

*sigh* give up arguing with em capitalist and everyone else they have a set mind on "im right or no ones right"
yo yo yo what up happy!!!

capitalist · Nov 23, 2005, 04:09 AM // 04:09

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Originally Posted by killer toast

*sigh* give up arguing with em capitalist and everyone else they have a set mind on "im right or no ones right"
yo yo yo what up happy!!!

Exactly. The LBSRA loves everyone, so why all the hate?

Toasttt! There's some HOz in this house!

killer toast · Nov 23, 2005, 04:19 AM // 04:19

i got love for the lbsra

The Herbalizer · Nov 23, 2005, 09:40 AM // 09:40

This thread has became a joke. So what if you have a problem with the prices noone cares get over it. LBSRA runners get paid for the runs they do all the time and many have made enough for fissure armor and other expensive stuff. This suggests that business is booming and obviously their customers do not have a problem with the prices. There are applications made to join everday and this also suggests that noone cares about your anoying comments. All you sound like is a jealous, angry teenager who is picking a fight over a computer game. It says alot about you getting your knickers in a twist over a game. We can charge what we like and you cannot stop us as we are within are right to do it.

The Yoink · Nov 23, 2005, 10:23 AM // 10:23

I haven't read all the posts on this particular thread (so if I type something that's been posted several times previously, don't be afraid to quote it over and over again and call me a noob) so I'm not sure if someone has come-up w/ this particular idea, BUT the following seems true:

*LBSRA has something of a corner on the high-end of the running market

*The Academy is "ran" (haha) smoothly and intelligently

*They have gobs of experience

*They charge more than the average bear
--
So if:

*You're an independant runner
-or-
*Part of a small-time running business
-and YOU have-
*Plenty o' experience with running
--
Instead of complaining about the LBSRA, you could do the following:

* Take up cricket
* Rebuild a classic automobile
* Purchase multiple shares in a burgeoning company
*Get together with all the OTHER independent runners/small-time
running businesses/etc. and form a large Academy much like that
of the LBSRA...
--
If you choose the last option (tempting as automobile mechanisms may be), you'd want to be sure to:

*Acquire some of the already "heavy-hitting" competition to the LBSRA and include them in your plans for market domination

*Charge lower rates (since you consider those of the LBSRA so unreasonable)

*Advertise like crazy (hire an agent maybe? I'll check my schedule)

*Get a really cool cape (hire a designer maybe? I'll check my schedule)
--
In reality, you'll probably never get the thing off the ground. Several people have already half-tried, but either failed or didn't fare quite as well as hoped. But when it comes down to it, what does it matter? How much is too much money to have on this game?

For those who read this long rant, take comfort in reminding yourself that:
I'm fairly ignorant
I've contributed nothing relevant to this thread (nor the line of discussion within)
I don't own a housecat
But most importantly, I'm posting this at 4:21-sh A.M. and therefore have every right to believe that what I've said is clever.

Pong · Nov 23, 2005, 10:47 AM // 10:47

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Originally Posted by masterbeef

Did you serioiusly give him 100k? Compared to my measly 15?

Oh well, i was hoping my awesome new academy would get me some gold but the mods shut me down, i'm gonna have ta stick it to tha man.

I saw your new academy. Looks pretty nice. Had me laughing.

I got a buddy I met in game a couple of days ago that only has about 2k in his account. If you can give him a run to forge I'll give you a 100k for it.I haven't paid over 2.5k for a run to forge since I started playing this game, but I'm trying to clear my storage a bit.

Just tell me when you can make the run.

The Herbalizer · Nov 23, 2005, 01:31 PM // 13:31

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I got a buddy I met in game a couple of days ago that only has about 2k in his account. If you can give him a run to forge I'll give you a 100k for it.I haven't paid over 2.5k for a run to forge since I started playing this game, but I'm trying to clear my storage a bit.

Just tell me when you can make the run.

Ah the good old give my "friend" a run trick. He dies and records what build is used then spams it and tries to put us out of business. If anyone attempts to give him a run make sure he does not die and if he does leave. Why give 100k for a run when you can buy 8 ecto instead. All seems a bit suspicious, one minute you hate us and our prices the next you want to pay 100k for a drok run.